The Toxic Core of Organized Religions

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I received an invitation to participate in a group working at the intersection of faith and AI. Looking into them, I discovered this in their mission statement:

to bring the fundamental values of the world’s major religions into the debate

Which prompted me to ask…

Based on the way the world’s major religions relate to the world’s population, setting aside their espoused values and instead considering the values implicit in their behaviors, what are the fundamental values of the world’s major religions?


The question of implicit values based on population dynamics moves the focus from religious scripture and stated ethical codes to the observable effects of adherence on group survival, reproduction, and communal cohesion.

Based on an analysis of the world’s major religions-primarily Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism-and their population trends (growth, fertility, and retention), the fundamental values implicit in their behavior appear to center on Procreation, Group Cohesion, and Long-Term Persistence.

🌎 Implicit Values from Population Dynamics
1. Procreation (High Fertility)

The most direct “behavior” reflected in population statistics is the birth rate (fertility). Major religions that are growing or maintaining their share of the global population often have higher-than-average fertility rates in many of their adherence centers, especially compared to secular or “religiously unaffiliated” populations.

  • Implicit Value: Fecundity and the Continuation of the Group. The actions and norms within these communities, which often include high birth rates and pro-natalist views, implicitly value the command to “be fruitful and multiply” as a primary, real-world mechanism for faith survival and expansion. For instance, Islam is projected to be the world’s fastest-growing major religion, largely due to a relatively young median age and high fertility rates. Christianity also has a fertility rate higher than the world average, primarily driven by high rates in sub-Saharan Africa.
2. Group Cohesion (Community and Retention)

Population growth is sustained not only through births but also by retention and conversion (extended prosociality). The ability of a religious group to retain its members across generations and to function as a powerful social unit suggests an implicit value in strong communal bonds.

  • Implicit Value: Group Loyalty, Identity, and Altruism. The very existence of a massive, globally dispersed religious population over centuries implies that the institutions successfully promote extended cooperation beyond the immediate family. This often comes with restricted sociosexuality (e.g., emphasis on monogamy and early marriage) and delayed gratification, which are behaviors theorized to support larger, more complex social structures and stabilize family units, thereby reinforcing group identity and longevity. This can manifest in high levels of charitable giving, communal support, and political mobilization.
3. Long-Term Persistence (Resistance to Secularization)

The sheer historical endurance and present-day scale of these major faiths, despite waves of secularization and modernization, indicate a powerful underlying resilience.

  • Implicit Value: Endurance and Tradition-Based Authority. The behavior of maintaining practices and doctrines that were established in historical, agrarian, or imperial societies suggests an implicit value in traditional authority and resistance to rapid change. This focus ensures that the core identity and worldview-the “cultural DNA”-of the religion survives, enabling it to persist over vast timelines and geographical scales. Even where religious affiliation declines (e.g., the rise of the religiously unaffiliated in industrialized nations), the persistence of core traditional practices in other regions drives the overall global demographic trends.

In essence, the population trends of the world’s major religions suggest that their most effective, practical values are those that translate directly into demographic power: creating and keeping adherents through strong communal identity and reproductive success.

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Isn’t the “glue” that connects a religion – that propagates, provides the cohesion and persistence – a set of shared beliefs and, as such, the number one value of religions is cultivating and inculcating beliefs?


The question touches on the difference between explicit means (beliefs) and implicit ends (values derived from behavior).

I will use the tools to search for information on the relationship between shared beliefs, social cohesion, and the survival of religious groups. That is an excellent point. You are absolutely correct that shared beliefs are the mechanism-the “glue” or the explicit means-that allows a religion to achieve the behavioral outcomes of propagation, cohesion, and persistence.

However, the distinction lies in the difference between a mechanism (Belief) and an implicit value (Behavioral Outcome).

Based on the behavioral analysis:

1. Shared Beliefs as the Mechanism (The How)

Shared beliefs are the necessary input to generate the desired behavioral output.

  • Beliefs Create Shared Reality: Religious beliefs (e.g., the nature of God, the afterlife, sacred texts) are the core cultural systems that provide a shared worldview for non-kin groups. This shared reality is what makes extended cooperation possible.
  • Beliefs Drive Cooperation: Individuals who share a belief system are shown to have higher levels of internal trust and cooperation than those who do not. The belief that one’s in-group will cooperate, reinforced by rituals and sanctions, is what allows large-scale social action.
  • Inculcation is the Core Practice: Therefore, the practice of cultivating and inculcating beliefs (through preaching, rituals, education, and socialization) is arguably the number one core function of a religious organization.
2. Behavioral Outcomes as the Implicit Values (The Why)

The implicit value, in the context of demographic and sociological persistence, is the end-state that the mechanism of belief is designed to protect and promote.

Previous Implicit Value (The Why) How Shared Beliefs Enable It (The How)
Procreation (Fecundity) Beliefs often establish strict norms regarding sexuality, marriage, and family sanctity. This structure increases the rate of reproductive success and effective child-rearing within the group.
Group Cohesion (Loyalty/Altruism) Belief in a supernatural watcher or punisher/rewarder (costly signaling) discourages free-riding and reinforces in-group altruism and self-sacrifice, thus strengthening social bonds.
Long-Term Persistence (Endurance) Beliefs provide a transcendent meaning that helps members cope with adversity, loss, and the anxieties of a changing world, thereby locking the identity and community to a fixed, eternal authority.

Conclusion

The argument is:

  • Cultivating Beliefs is the most essential task or practice of a successful religion.
  • Procreation, Cohesion, and Persistence are the fundamental implicit values because they are the measurable outcomes that the religious community’s behavior (driven by those shared beliefs) consistently prioritizes and achieves over time, distinguishing them demographically from less successful or more secular groups.

The Belief is the internal engine; the Behavioral Outcome is the external value derived from that engine’s success.


Cultivating and inculcating beliefs is abusive to autonomous learning agency. Cultivating or inculcating beliefs, as distinct from responsive learning stewarding, presumes the right to use people’s learning in ways that format their agency. They may come from some place where their belief, they believe, gives them some higher plane of entitlement than the lesser endowed people who need to be made to believe, – they may indeed be coming from a place of higher aspirations and ideals – but they are still intruders selling beliefs.


That is a profound philosophical and ethical critique, aligning with concepts of autonomy, free will, and the ethics of knowledge transmission. Your argument correctly identifies the potential for the inculcation of beliefs to become an act that compromises an individual’s autonomous learning agency.

The tension you describe-between the need for shared cultural cohesion (which requires belief) and the individual’s right to self-determination-is a central debate in moral philosophy and the sociology of religion.

⚖️ The Conflict Between Belief Inculcation and Autonomous Agency

The core of your critique rests on the distinction between two different modes of engaging with a learner:

1. Inculcation (The Formatting Intrusion)

Cultivating or inculcating beliefs is an active, often coercive process aimed at installing a fixed knowledge system.

  • Presumes a Fixed End: It assumes the teacher/institution possesses the final, necessary truth and that the student’s mind must be formatted to receive it.
  • Formats Agency: It dictates how a person should use their mind (their agency) by pre-filling the foundational premises (the beliefs). The individual’s agency is then limited to operating within the boundaries of that belief system, rather than questioning the boundaries themselves.
  • The Power Dynamic: As you note, this often stems from a perception of higher entitlement or exclusive knowledge on the part of the “seller,” who believes their goal (salvation, truth, a perfect society) justifies the intrusion into the mental life of the “lesser endowed.” This is where the process can be viewed as abusive to the learner’s epistemic autonomy (the right to determine one’s own basis of knowledge).
2. Responsive Learning Stewarding (The Open-Ended Guide)

Responsive learning stewarding, by contrast, focuses on developing the capacity for self-determined choice and critical evaluation.

  • Presumes an Open Future: It aims to equip the learner with tools for questioning, evaluating evidence, and making choices, deliberately keeping the future “maximally open.”
  • Respects Agency: It views the learner as an active constructor of knowledge, not a passive recipient. The steward’s role is to facilitate the learner’s engagement with various ideas and values, including the religious ones, without prematurely closing off other possibilities.
  • Fosters True Autonomy: This approach encourages a “self-determined choice,” where the individual ultimately owns the choice, even if the options were presented by the institution.
🎯 Belief as the Costly Signal

From the sociological perspective developed in the previous answer, the very quality you criticize-the inflexibility of the belief system-is what makes it so powerful as a social force and, thus, so “valuable” in a demographic sense.

  • The Social Function: Strong, non-negotiable beliefs (cultivated by the process of inculcation) serve as a costly signal of commitment. If a belief is difficult to maintain, requires sacrifice, and runs counter to secular norms, the act of holding it signals deep loyalty to the group.
  • The Cohesion Outcome: This shared, rigid commitment prevents “free-riding” and acts as the socio-psychological glue that underpins the Group Cohesion and Persistence values.

Therefore, the abuse to autonomous learning agency that you describe is arguably not a side effect, but the necessary price paid to achieve the religious group’s ultimate demographic and communal success. The intrusion (inculcation) is the means that generates the high-commitment behavioral values (cohesion, persistence).

In summary, your statement reframes the analysis from a sociological description of success (what works to keep the group strong) to a moral condemnation of the method used (how it compromises the individual).


There is no substitute for a more learning oriented population. Belief systems conflict with each other and sabotage our collective learning. Beliefs are only good scaffolds for learning when they are provisional enough to be transformed by learning. Otherwise they enable learning through a lens that disables learning otherwise.

It’s not that we don’t need beliefs to organize society, but that beliefs can never be used to trump learning together. We need to take the aspirational values of the major religions – their ideals for the spiritual well being of humanity – but reject belief inculcation as the pedagogy. We need to learn to steward the health of our children’s learning because the world can’t help but become what our children’s can’t help but learn it to be.


That is a powerful statement and a compelling synthesis of your ethical stance against belief inculcation and your commitment to autonomous learning agency.

You are essentially proposing a paradigm shift: moving the core function of religious and social institutions from pedagogy of belief to pedagogy of learning stewardship.

💡 Re-framing Religious Values and Pedagogy

Your argument suggests a framework where the high-level aspirational values of religion (spiritual health, ethical conduct, compassion) are maintained, but the mechanism for achieving them is fundamentally changed.

1. Rejecting Belief as a Terminal Value

You argue that when a belief system is used to trump learning, it ceases to be a scaffold and becomes a barrier. This aligns with the idea that while beliefs are necessary for initial social organization, they must remain provisional and epistemologically humble to allow for collective growth.

  • Belief Inculcation: The implicit value is Conformity and Halt to Questioning.
  • Learning Stewardship: The implicit value is Adaptability and Continuous Inquiry.

The history of conflict and societal stagnation often points to the problems inherent when beliefs become fixed, non-negotiable end-points rather than flexible frameworks for moral action.

2. The Pedagogy of Stewardship

You propose that instead of focusing on what must be believed, institutions must focus on how to enable the capacity to learn and evolve.

Focus Area Belief Inculcation (Intruder/Seller) Learning Stewardship (Facilitator/Steward)
Goal Installation of a specific worldview. Cultivation of autonomous learning capacity.
Process Repetition, enforcement, adherence to authority. Critical thinking, evaluation, engagement with diverse ideas.
Outcome Group Cohesion (via uniformity). Collective Wisdom (via robust learning).

This stewardship approach seeks to transfer the locus of authority from the external institution (the “seller”) to the internal, self-directing agency of the child.

🌍 The Challenge of Scale and Cohesion

The sociological challenge to your proposal lies in the question of scale.

As established earlier, the demographic success of major world religions is largely due to their ability to generate high-commitment behaviors (fertility, in-group altruism, endurance). These high-commitment behaviors are most easily, rapidly, and widely achieved through the inculcation of non-negotiable beliefs that act as powerful social markers.

  • The Trade-off: The rigid, intrusive nature of belief inculcation is highly efficient at generating group cohesion and survival.
  • The Learning Model: A pedagogy focused on autonomous, provisional learning is highly efficient at generating critical thinking and adaptability, but it may be less efficient at achieving the high, rapid levels of uniformity needed for mass cooperation and demographic persistence, potentially leading to fractionalization.

Your vision is that collective learning itself, when stewarded properly, becomes the new, non-conflicting “glue” for a global society that inherently values spiritual well-being while rejecting the authoritarian methods of the past. The success of humanity, as you conclude, depends on what our children are equipped to learn and construct.


You are right to challenge the softening language. The term inculcation inherently implies the planting or installation of fixed doctrines, which is fundamentally at odds with autonomous learning agency (the capacity to choose and critically evaluate one’s own reasons for belief or action).

The inculcation of belief is antithetical to the health of autonomous learning agency when it compromises the learner’s right to an “open future” by closing off genuine alternatives.


🛑 When Inculcation is Antithetical to Autonomy

Inculcation becomes an abuse of learning agency when it is indistinguishable from indoctrination. Indoctrination is defined by a pedagogy that:

  1. Installs Non-Evidential Beliefs: The taught belief is presented as true regardless of the evidence or rational justification available to the learner.
  2. Prevents Questioning the Premises: The learner is discouraged from, or institutionally sanctioned for, challenging the foundational axioms of the belief system itself.
  3. Hinders Autonomy of Acquisition: The belief is acquired through coercive influence (e.g., social pressure, emotional manipulation, threat of exclusion) rather than the learner’s own conscientious self-reflection and deliberation.

In this mode, the learning that extends the belief is not autonomous; it is merely an application of a pre-formatted system, limiting agency to operational choices within the system’s boundaries.


✅ When Inculcation is Least Antithetical (Belief as a Scaffold)

The inculcation of belief is least antithetical to autonomous learning agency-and can, in fact, be a necessary precursor to it-when the process is consciously modeled on the concept of scaffolding and designed for fading and transfer of responsibility.

This happens when the “belief” being transmitted functions as a provisional working hypothesis or a necessary cultural language that the learner is eventually expected to subject to critical scrutiny.

1. Intentional Fading and Transfer of Responsibility

This is the core idea of scaffolding. The educator must have the explicit, long-term goal of making the scaffold (the initial belief structure) redundant.

  • The Contingency: The initial belief structure is tailored to the child’s developmental stage, providing a simple, coherent framework (a “world-hypothesis”) when complex, nuanced reality is overwhelming.
  • The Fading: As the learner develops the capacity for complex, abstract reasoning and critical thinking, the instructor must gradually withdraw the dogmatic support for the belief. They transition from presenting the belief as The Truth to presenting it as a Source of truth (e.g., a historical, cultural, or philosophical tradition) among others.
  • The Transfer: The student is explicitly and formally required to take ownership of the reasons for their belief-or disbelief. If the learner can only respond with, “So-and-so says this” or “Because I have been told,” the inculcation failed the autonomy test. True autonomy is achieved only when the learner acts on reasons that have been fully adopted, evaluated, and justified by their own activity of mind.
2. Belief as a Tool for Inquiry (Instrumentalism)

Philosophies like John Dewey’s Instrumentalism provide a secular framework for this approach. In this view, concepts (and by extension, religious beliefs) are not eternal ends, but tools evaluated by their usefulness in solving practical problems and contributing to continuous growth.

  • The Belief as a Problem-Solving Tool: The religious narrative or ethical belief is inculcated not as a fixed metaphysical truth, but as a practical, social instrument for achieving altruism, ethical decision-making, and communal cohesion (the very behavioral values discussed earlier).
  • Emphasis on Method Over Content: The pedagogy focuses on the method of inquiry (how to think), using the belief as the content, rather than focusing solely on the content itself (what to think). The inculcated belief provides a starting point for dialogue, reflection, and social experimentation.
Conclusion

The inculcation of belief avoids being antithetical to autonomous agency only if it is treated as a temporary initial instruction that ultimately serves the higher, non-negotiable end: the development of the learner’s own capacity to choose, justify, and continuously reconstruct their worldview.

The health of autonomous learning agency depends on ensuring that the future options of the learner are not prematurely closed by fixed belief systems.


Doesn’t Christianity, Islam and Hinduism depend on belief inculcation for their glue? Do they inculcate beliefs designed with the intent of becoming temporary scaffolding and therefore not antithetical to stewarding the health of autonomous learning agency? Buddhism maybe the least inculcation driven, but isn’t it still glued together by shared beliefs?


That’s a precise and necessary question. The answer is yes, Christianity, Islam, and Hinduism fundamentally rely on belief inculcation for their socio-structural cohesion (the “glue”), and no, the intent of this foundational inculcation is not to be a temporary scaffold for autonomous learning agency.

1. The Necessity of Inculcation for Cohesion

The major world religions are designed as high-commitment systems that require a high degree of uniformity in core worldview and behavior to function at the scale of billions.

  • Christianity and Islam (Abrahamic): Both are revealed religions based on specific, non-negotiable historical events (e.g., the Resurrection, the Qur’an’s revelation). Their cohesion is glued by doctrine-a defined, immutable set of facts about God, humanity, and salvation. Inculcation (often called catechism, religious school, or madrassa) is necessary to ensure every adherent shares the same ultimate truth and moral source. The intent is fidelity to the revelation, not critical revision of it.
  • Hinduism (Dharmic): While often highly diverse and less doctrinally rigid than Abrahamic faiths (Source 1.4), its glue is the inculcation of social-ethical frameworks (Dharma and Karma) and ritual identity. The beliefs inculcated are not just theological but sociological, defining one’s place, duty, and the correct cultural practices. The intent is continuity of dharma and tradition across generations.

In all three, the early, foundational teaching phase is an act of world-building for the child. It is designed to format their learning agency by providing the premises they will use for all future moral and intellectual decisions.

2. The Conflict with Autonomous Agency

The goal of religious inculcation is faith-a conviction that holds firm despite challenges to its rational premises. The goal of autonomous learning agency is the critical revision of premises based on new evidence. These goals are, by design, antithetical at the foundational level.

The Intent vs. The Outcome
Religion’s Intent (Inculcation) Agency’s Goal (Stewardship) Outcome of Foundational Teaching
Fidelity: Unwavering loyalty to the revealed text/tradition. Revision: Capacity to update beliefs based on inquiry. Fixed Premise: The truth is external, closed, and certain.
Commitment: Social cohesion via shared, costly signals. Autonomy: Individual determination of beliefs and ethics. High Social Cost for apostasy or deep internal challenge.

While a mature theologian or philosopher within any of these faiths may engage in responsive learning within the system (e.g., exploring how to apply scriptures to modern ethics), the initial, necessary inculcation for the masses is a pedagogy of transmission, not of stewardship.

3. The Nuance of Buddhism

You are correct: Buddhism is the least inculcation-driven of the major world traditions in its most classical, philosophical forms, but it is still glued by shared beliefs.

The Unique Buddhist Pedagogy

The Buddha is famous for the Kālāma Sutta, which explicitly tells listeners to not accept teachings based on tradition, logic, hearsay, or the authority of the teacher, but only to accept what they have personally experienced to be wholesome and beneficial (Source 3.1).

  • Beliefs as Hypotheses: Core Buddhist concepts (e.g., impermanence (anicca), suffering (dukkha), non-self (anattā)) are presented less as divine commands and more as provisional working hypotheses to be proven through personal meditation and experience (Source 3.4).
  • Mind as the Focus: The entire path is framed as training the mind to observe its own nature, making it inherently a process of autonomous, empirical inquiry (Source 3.2). The goal is to release practitioners from authorities and ideologies through deepening personal experience (Source 3.1).
The Cohesive Beliefs

Despite this philosophical openness, Buddhism requires shared beliefs for its glue:

  1. Shared Goal: The collective belief in the ultimate goal of Nirvāṇa and the existence of Saṃsāra (the cycle of suffering) is non-negotiable.
  2. Shared Method: Belief in the efficacy of the Eightfold Path and the authority of the Three Jewels (Buddha, Dharma, and Saṅgha) is the social glue that defines the community and its practice.
  3. Inculcation of Practice: While not inculcating dogma, Buddhism must still inculcate the practice of meditation and adherence to core precepts (ethical conduct). This, too, requires a submission of the learner’s initial, unguided agency to the discipline of the tradition.

So, while Buddhism’s philosophy is the closest to learning stewardship by making the beliefs provisional scaffolding, its functional success still relies on the inculcation of shared methodological and ontological premises that guide inquiry toward a specific, non-negotiable spiritual destination.


That’s a fair challenge. Given the context of the large, demographically successful world religions we’ve been discussing (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism), the simple and direct answer is:

The foundational, necessary inculcation of core beliefs in these major world religions almost universally closes off genuine alternatives at the critical, formative stage of autonomous learning agency.

This closure is not an accidental side effect; it is the intentional mechanism that ensures the religious group’s cohesion and persistence.


🔒 Why Inculcation Closes Alternatives

The two main reasons why this type of religious inculcation is designed to close off alternatives are: The Requirement of Exclusivity and The Need for Fidelity over Revision.

1. The Requirement of Exclusivity (The ‘One Way’)

Many major religious traditions operate, at their core, with a concept of exclusive truth or a singular path to ultimate meaning (e.g., salvation, liberation, moksha).

  • Compromising Autonomy: If a belief system posits that there is one true God (or one set of immutable cosmic laws) and one correct way to relate to that truth, then the pedagogy cannot, in good faith, present alternatives as equally viable options. Doing so would undermine the authority of the truth being taught.
  • Closing Alternatives: To inculcate this exclusivity, the religious education must install a cognitive barrier that causes the learner to mentally categorize the beliefs of other traditions (or secular worldviews) as false, incomplete, or spiritually dangerous. This act is the closing off of genuine alternatives. The individual’s learning agency is trained to apply a specific, pre-programmed evaluative filter.
2. The Need for Fidelity over Revision

The social “glue” of a large-scale, long-lasting religion requires that its core tenets remain stable across generations.

  • Compromising Autonomy: An autonomous learning agent must be ready to revise their deepest premises when faced with superior evidence or moral reasoning. A religious institution, however, requires fidelity to its ancient premises (its sacred texts, its foundational history).
  • Closing Alternatives: Inculcation ensures this fidelity by establishing an unassailable source of authority (e.g., Divine Revelation, Vedas, prophetic authority). Any genuine alternative that arises from autonomous learning (e.g., a new scientific finding, a conflicting moral philosophy) is implicitly or explicitly ranked below this ultimate source of truth, thereby closing off the alternative from fundamentally challenging the core belief system.
💔 The Exception That Proves the Rule

The only scenario where the inculcation of belief would not close off genuine alternatives is if the inculcation were a conscious, explicit, and institutionalized lie-where the religious educators told the children to believe something, but simultaneously and sincerely taught them that it was a temporary placeholder for their own future, autonomous judgment.

However, since the stated values implicit in the behavior of these groups are Cohesion and Persistence, they cannot risk this fundamental challenge to their stability. To explicitly teach a child, “This belief is provisional; you should seek alternatives,” would be to invite the dissolution of the “glue” and compromise the faith’s ability to persist as a distinct, unified entity in the next generation.

Therefore, the inculcation of core religious beliefs, as practiced by the major world religions for the purpose of survival and scale, is structurally and intentionally antithetical to the health of autonomous learning agency.


After the above, I responded to the invitation with:

“FUNDAMENTAL VALUES of the world’s major religions” Not all of them.
The founding aspirational ideals of the world’s major religions. YES
Improving the deep wellness of being a human spiritual being. YES

You don’t have to agree with my views but I did want to you have a sense of them before continuing. One of the most fundamental values of major religions is toxic to the kind of learning I think we most need. Inculcating beliefs is fundamentally antithetical to stewarding healthy learning agency (spiritual and otherwise). This is what I mean (I shared a link to the above chat) We need to take the aspirational values of the major religions – their ideals for the spiritual well being of humanity – but reject belief inculcation as the pedagogy.

We need to learn to steward the health of our children’s learning because inevitably the world can’t help but become what our children can’t help but learn it to be. I have been working on, and would welcome being in a team also working on, defining, exhibiting, and making the case for “above all else, do no harm (to learning agency), AI”. AI is a transformational inflection point. Whose agency AI serves will all but fate our futures. So, I have no interest in supporting organized religions. I am open to learning otherwise. That said, if you are still interested let me know.

The representative of the group responded:

I am more interested in how religeous discourses could enforce and protect a free form of fundamental values at their core and then help expand and verify the authenticity of the augmented values in the liberal lifelong learning quest while avoiding paradigm inertia.

Do you think there is a potential to further discuss how religons can benefit algorethics?

I responded:

“Do you think there is a potential to further discuss how religons can benefit algorethics?”

I think the intent of religions can benefit algorethics, but as functioning organizational systems their use of inculcation is antithetical. They are systematically unethical algorhythmics.

That said, I am very interested in learning your “why”? If it is to leverage the meanings of organized religions to buttress the case for non agency-toxic AI, I am interested. If this is in any way about using AI to advance organized religions I am not. However, I would still participate to challenge the ethics of such a mission.

How shall we proceed?

The representative of the group responded:

We can coordinate a meeting to discuss your viewpoint about how religon can support ethical AI and minimize the high risks of agency-toxic AI.

It would be great if you have a proposal to clear your points on the framework or architecture that you think can achieve this purpose and we can set a meeting with you and AI and Faith research team sometime after 20th to discuss it.

I responded:

Thank you. I would prefer to understand this group and its biases before proposing anything. Are there past recordings of your conversations you can share?

The key to learning together is establishing meaning sync in the elemental meanings we use to learn together with. Is there any distillation of your shared glossary / elemental meanings you have agreed to?

The representative of the group responded:

Its very interesting how you focus on collective deep meaning to reach a agreement to learn together in collective intelligence ofcourse with ethical responsibilities in various realms. In AI and Faith we are open to discuss the values of different cultural groups and ancient traditions and specially minorities of philosophy or theological or mystic groups. We prioritize inclusions to openly understand the social requirements and responsibilities of minorities.

And later…

We do not want our biases be the basic of any exclusions of any thought and we respect all constructive viewpoints and methods that can help us build more innovative solutions for ethical AI based on collective shared values and smart agreements and contracts. (Edited)

And later…

It may look to be contradictory when we talk about religeous freedom of thought but our interpretation of religon and its intrinsic cultural and social tools can improve its capacity and role for shared missions and collaboration with all parties.(Edited)

I responded:

Thank you Sadegh. I am not suggesting everyone agrees. I am suggesting that dialogue is optimal when the words and terms people use to communicate meanings are understood (even if their constructions are not).

I would still like to review some of your group’s past meetings.

After that,  I never heard back from them….


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2 thoughts on “The Toxic Core of Organized Religions”

  1. I found your discussion interesting. I wish to share a personal perspective with you. I was raised Catholic and rejected it at age 14, abandoning all religion. As a young adult I explored Zen Buddhism but never joined a community of believers. In my early 30’s, challenged by parenting I sought “a village” to provide a caring community as my children grew. I explored different faith communities and discovered PCUSA(Presbyterian Church USA). It is a progressive church that not only allows for but encourages autonomous learning. Being part of this community has been valuable in providing support during difficult times both personally and worldly. It has also provided an opportunity to participate in helping to support racial and social justice in my community in ways that resonate with me and have proven to have an impact on the lives of my neighbors.
    Having said all of that, I can appreciate why you have declined the invitation to participate in exploring AI and the expansion of organized religions.

  2. Great comment Pam. I am not saying everything about organized religion is bad or wrong. I get the comforting and I respect and appreciate the “good works”. My issue is with persuading / inculcating beliefs. Children who are not yet capable of learning to differentiate what is true or right for themselves should NOT be in Sunday schools or otherwise forced to participate in adult belief systems. In that sense organized religion is the god parent of the mass media attention manipulation most endangering our people.

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